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Letters to the Editor - March/April 2007

RESPONSE TO APRIL 29 ISSUE

The Most Important Question
(posted 4-27-07)
In regards to Paul Williams column of April 29, “Relevant or Hospitable,” I would think that the best and most important question to be asking the Orchard Group or any group for that matter would be, “Are we being biblical?” If you can answer that with a “yes” then you are probably doing what needs to be done. I know that being biblical may not seem all that relevant, hospitable, or even important to some in our brotherhood, but it ought to be.
—Lyle W. Lipps
Adairsville, Georgia

Another Campus Ministry
(posted 4-27-07)
Our church has been the sole support for a large and effective campus ministry at the University of Nebraska at Lincoln called the SWAT TEAM. We have more than 50 students involved and average about 35 each week at our on campus Bible study. We currently have over 20 students join us in Sunday worship services and most are involved in our activities. Almost none of these are “Christian church” kids, and they are very excited to find out that a thing like New Testament Christianity exists.
—Steve Stolle
Cornerstone Christian Church
Lincoln, Nebraska


RESPONSE TO APRIL 15 ISSUE

It Isn't a New Trend
(posted 4-17-07)
I have been doing research looking at changes in the Restoration Movement. While I am primarily looking at how preaching has changed (by surveying NACC sermon manuscripts and tapes of NACC messages over four decades), my “radar” is “on” regarding other historical trends—such as the content of Restoration Movement publications.
 
In my reading, I picked up the book Adventuring for Christ in Changing Times by James DeForest Murch. Speaking of his early years at CHRISTIAN STANDARD, immediately following his succession of Edwin Errett as office editor, he says: “I introduced first-page features of the largest churches in the Brotherhood which made a hit and resulted in a long waiting list eager to get such recognition” (p. 36).
 
Later, regarding his role with The Lookout (which began in 1918), he speaks of large Sunday schools saying: “The leading essays dealt with educational principles or feature stories of church school success. There was a statistical report of attendances of all (Sunday) schools with records of 300 or more present. The ten top schools were given special recognition. (On special days as many as twenty churches would report a thousand or more in attendance). . . . Many a class was inspired to build its membership by the promise of listing in The Lookout . . .” (p. 41).
 
In any case, critics might want to note that the listing of things “large” and “successful” did not begin with the Taylor/Williams team!
—Jim Tune


RESPONSE TO APRIL 8 ISSUE

Excellent Essay on Baptism
(posted 4-17-07)
Just like a professional ball team, we need to get back to basics now and again. Mark Atteberry did an excellent job with his essay on baptism (“What’s the Debate About?” April 8). As a practical matter, there must be importance here or Satan wouldn’t put up such a fight about a procedure so physically simple for most of us.

On another note, the same issue (April 8) had a letter to the editor voicing concern about multisite churches wherein Mr. Colby cited Acts 14. Had he gone into the next chapter, he might have seen the cooperative and interdependent nature of the early church compared to the sometimes competitive, uncooperative nature of our independent churches that I believe is more unbiblical. I’m working through this issue myself and am inclined to believe that much of our existing organizational structure has as much to do with the church being a legal entity within the state or personal choices as it does biblical standards.
—Bob Kitchen
Batavia, Ohio


RESPONSE TO APRIL 1 ISSUE

Scholarship Can Be Exalted to Uncomfortable Level
(posted 4-23-07)
(Dear Mr. Hull . . .) I read your article on “Jerusalem and Athens: Why Scholarship Matters to the Church” (April 1) with some interest. I agree with you on the need for scholarship in our brotherhood. There have been those in our brotherhood and other groups who have regarded scholarship with disdain, when in reality academic excellence is simply another tool to examine and undergird our faith in the Bible and in God.

However, I believe scholarship can be exalted to a level that can prove uncomfortable.

I’ve noticed it can rely too heavily upon human reasoning rather than God’s. With regard to the issue of slavery you stated, “If you agree with me . . . you will need to rely on a more adequate interpretive principle than ‘Where the Scriptures speak…’ You will need the guidance of . . . moral philosophy and logic.”

I’m sorry, I can’t agree with you. Four reasons:

  1. Your statement implies that Scripture is NOT God-breathed nor is it useful for teaching, correcting etc. (I hope you didn’t mean to say that.) But by your reasoning, one could be led to believe that the Bible suffers from deficiencies that only the mortal logic and moral philosophy of man can counteract. (See Colossians 2:8.)
  2. Your statement also presumes that slavery was/is inherently a bad thing. If that were true, if slavery is inherently bad today, it must have also been bad back in the days of Scripture. But since the Law of Moses included a description of how God’s people would engage in slavery . . . and Scripture never condemned the practice . . . then it’s our human reasoning that must be altered.
  3. You’ve also presumed that the slavery we saw in pre-Civil War America was the same as biblical slavery.
  4. And lastly, you’ve presumed that our modern culture doesn’t engage in slavery today.

In 1850, there were church leaders who insisted on slavery . . . but their idea of slavery was morally indifferent to Scripture. Their idea of slavery was slavery for life. Their idea of slavery involved the buying and selling of human flesh principally because that flesh was black. And their slavery was based on the idea that black people deserved to be enslaved because of the heretical teaching that blacks descended from Cain (a heresy that good biblical scholarship has always condemned).

By contrast, the biblical concept of slavery was usually temporary. It often involved the paying off of one’s debts or the compensation of a crime. These slaves were freed when their debt was fulfilled, or when reparations were made. Every seven years all debts were forgiven, and every 50 years slaves were to be freed (the year of Jubilee).

Now, in our day we have our own forms of slavery, we just don’t call it slavery. For example, I often see slaves working by the side of the road wearing orange jump suits. Our government offers them this chance at slave labor as an alternative to spending time in a small cell or exercising in enclosures protected by razor wire.

In addition, there are others today who face lives akin to slavery because they have lost their homes and other possessions to foreclosure . . . never to regain what was once theirs. By contrast, God’s law protected his people against such permanent losses. They could pay off their debts by slave labor and at the end of seven years, regain what had been theirs.

Then, of course, there were those whom Israel made slaves who had once been enemy combatants. For them it was a choice between death and life in slavery. Given that choice, slavery wasn’t all that bad an option. In fact, Israel made good use of these enemy combatants . . . we put ours in “Club Gitmo.”

Slavery, as practiced under the law of Moses, was a humane and reasonable way of dealing with individuals who would otherwise have lost everything they owned to debt or have been condemned to interminable lengths of time behind bars.

But, since you rely so heavily on scholarship—I believe you already knew that.

Another problem with scholarship can be the presumption that scholars are always unbiased. But they aren’t. They are as prone to wanting to prove their theories and prejudices as anyone else. In fact, they can often engage in studies of obscure texts (kind of like Romans 16:7) in order to establish church doctrine. I’m sure that you had no intention of doing that when you introduced your reference to Mr. Epp’s book . . . that would be dishonest. I’m also sure that you didn’t intend to imply that the issue of whether Paul intended Junia or Junias was uncontested fact. It isn’t. There are reasonable scholars who have serious problems with both Epp’s position and with the resulting theology that many “scholars” try to impose on this ambiguous passage.

In regards to scholarship, I agree that it is important for our brotherhood to embrace it . . . but not all scholarship is sound, honest, or reliable. One of my favorite passages is Proverbs 30:1-6. It should be the watchword of every mortal who would take on the mantle of a biblical scholar. It says:

"I am the most ignorant of men; I do not have a man’s understanding. I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One. Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know! (Proverbs 30:2-4).

As a scholar who loved Scripture, Agur related verses 2 through 4 in order to lay the groundwork for what he was going to say next. In those verses he was telling us his personal reasoning was faulty and his insights were limited when examining God’s Word. But then Agur wrote:

"Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar” (Proverbs 30:5, 6).

I would advise you to take his advice seriously.
—Jeff Strite
Logansport, Indiana

A response from Robert Hull:
I am thankful for Mr. Strite’s interest in the important issue of the relationship between scholarship and the church. I will respond briefly to the concerns he raised about my article. First, concerning slavery, I made three points: (1) Many church leaders of the 1850s defended slaveholding on the basis that both the Old Testament and the New Testament approved of it. (2) Slaveholding in contemporary society is morally indefensible. (3) Good scholarship, and not just quoting Scripture, is necessary to make the case that slaveholding in contemporary society is indefensible.

I made no statements at all about the nature of slavery among the ancient Israelites. I also do not presume that antebellum slavery in the United States was the same as slavery in antiquity, nor did anything I write suggest that slavery does not exist in modern culture. I am well aware that slavery exists on a wide scale today in many parts of the world, and I believe Christians ought to oppose it with all their power. But I do not believe that any abolitionist has been able to make the case against slavery simply by quoting the Bible—at least none that I am aware of has attempted to do so.

The actual facts about slavery, in any era and under any conditions, have to be ferreted out by good scholarship, and Mr. Strite does not shy away from employing scholarship to make his own points. I leave it to the readers to judge whether he has used that scholarship to good effect.

With respect to the Junia/Junias debate, Mr. Strite asserts that there are reasonable scholars who disagree with Epp’s position that Paul was greeting (Romans 16:7) Junia, a woman, and not Junias, a man.  First, I refered to Epp’s book not because he has uncovered anything new, but only because it is the most thorough study ever published on the issue. Although scholars seldom achieve consensus, I am unaware of a single scholar who has published original research on this issue in the past decade who argues for “Junias.”

For the first 12 centuries of the church it was taken for granted that Paul was referring to a woman (named either Junia or Julia). To this day, not a shred of evidence has been uncovered in the thousands of inscriptions and literary works from Greco-Roman antiquity that the presumed name “Junias” ever existed. On the other hand, we have more than 250 examples from the city of Rome alone of women named Junia. There are still a few scholars who argue that Paul was greeting a woman, Junia, but that she and Andronicus were not themselves outstanding apostles, but only outstanding persons in the opinion of apostles. The most serious defense of this position is the article by Michael Burer and Daniel Wallace, “Was Junia Really an Apostle? A Reexamination of Romans 16.7 (New Testament Studies 47 [2001] 76-91).  Responses to this piece from other scholars have eroded what little support Burer and Wallace were able to muster from their examination of ancient literature. (Interested readers can follow the debate in Epp, Junia, the First Woman Apostle, 69-78, with full references to the literature).

I do take Mr. Strite’s point that “not all scholarship is sound, nor honest, nor reliable,” but bad scholarship can be corrected only by good scholarship. Even such a small matter as how best to translate a single word in Hebrew deserves our best efforts: Should the word tserupha in Proverbs 30:5—which Mr. Strite quotes—be translated “is pure” (King James Version), “is tried” (American Standard Version), “proves true” (Revised Standard Version), “has stood the test” (Revised English Bible), or “is flawless” (New International Version)? If we are to continue to be instructed by that wonderful text, we ought to thank God for the scholars who put themselves through the disciplines necessary to produce such a variety of useful renderings of the Hebrew text.

A response from Jeff Strite (posted 4-27-07):
In response to my letter to the editor on his article “Jerusalem and Athens”,
Mr. Hull wrote “for the first 12 centuries of the church it was taken for granted that Paul was referring to a woman.” That’s not entirely true . . . and I’d have thought a scholar of his status would have known that. I did a Google search of the name Junia and the very first Web site on the list (from The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) related this:

“According Epiphanius (AD 315-403), the bishop of Salamis in Cyprus, wrote an Index of Disciples, in which he includes this line: ‘Iounias, of whom Paul makes mention, became bishop of Apameia of Syria’ (Index disciplulorum, 125.19-20). In Greek, the phrase ‘of whom’ is a masculine relative pronoun (hou) and shows that Epiphanius thought Iounias was a man.”

“A Latin quotation from Origen (died AD 252), in the earliest extant commentary on Romans: He says that Paul refers to ‘Andronicus and Junias and Herodian’, all of whom he calls relatives and fellow captives (Andronicus, et Junias, et Herodion, quos omnes et cognatos suos, et concaptivos appellat)” (Origen’s commentary on Romas, preserved in a Latin translation by Rufinus, c. 345-c. 410 AD, in J.P. Migne, Patrologia Graeca, vol. 14, col. 1289). The name Junias here is a Latin masculine singular nominative, implying-if this ancient translation is reliable-that Origin (who was one of the ancient world’s most proficient scholars) thought Junias was a man. Coupled with the quotation from Epiphanias, this quotation makes the weight of ancient evidence support this view.”

So, I’m left with the conclusion that Mr. Hull has either not done his research completely, or has avoided references that contradict the thesis or an obscure text which many use to support women leadership. Scholars can and do explore such ambiguity because it helps justify opinions they could not support if they had to rely on more prominent passages that teach the opposite of what they would like us to believe.

A response from Robert Hull (posted 5-4-07):
Mr. Strite cites two instances of patristic references to Junias, a male, in Romans 16:7, taking these from Piper and Grudem, Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, 79-80. About the reference to Epiphanius, Index discipuloram, Piper and Grudem themselves impeach the credibility of their own witness when they go on to say, “We are perplexed about the fact that in the near context of the citation concerning Junias, Epiphanius also designates Prisca as a man mentioned in Romans 16:3, even though we know from the New Testament that she is a woman” (479, n. 19). In fact, it is questionable whether this work is a genuine writing of Epiphanius of Salamis at all. Nine manuscripts contain this work, only one of which (a 13th-century copy) attributes it to the fourth-century writer. In addition, a ninth-century monk also named Epiphanius attributes the work to Epiphanius. The actual date of the writing is unknown and, from the evidence cited, the work cannot be securely said to have originated before the ninth century. In any case, if the unknown author cannot even get it right about Prisca, why should we have any confidence in what he wrote about Junia?

Concerning evidence from Rufinus’s translation of Origen, Piper and Grudem cite Migne’s old and uncritical edition in Patrologia Latina. The first task of an editor of an ancient writing existing in multiple, handwritten copies is to establish the critical text. A critical edition of Rufinus’s Latin translation of Origen’s commentary on Romans, based on all the Latin fragments available, was published in 1998 by Caroline P. Hammond-Bammel (in German). Her critically edited text reads the feminine Iunia in the four references to the apostolic pair (In ep. ad Romanos 10:21, lines 1, 10, 25, and 39). In the last instance only, where Andronicus et Iunia appear in the nominative case, a 12th-century manuscript reads the variant Iulia (i.e., Julia, still a female name). Two other 12th century manuscripts (which belong to the same subgroup of witnesses) contain the variant Iounias (i.e., Junias, a masculine formation). Not only do all the earliest fragments support the feminine name, but two eighth-ninth century scholars who quote Origen’s commentary (namely Rabanus Maurus and Hraban of Fulda) also have Junia, not Junias. Since we know it was in the 12th century that an obscure scholar first suggested the name Junias, perhaps the copyists of these two 12th century manuscripts were influenced by similar concerns.

In summary, three very dubious alleged exceptions do not weigh heavily against the critical text of Origen and the other fathers up to the 12th century, including Ambrosiaster, Jerome, John Chrysostom, Theodoret, Pseudo-Primasius, John of Damascus, and others (Joseph Fitzmyer gives a more complete list in his Anchor Bible Commentary on Romans (New York: Doubleday, 1993), 737, 738.

The Disconnect Between PhD and Scholarship
(posted 4-23-07)
I fundamentally agree with Bob Hull's article "Why Scholarship Matters in the Church." After all, I like scholarship and I am paid for doing it. I am a college professor who teaches philosophy and religion at a state college. That makes me a bit (quite a bit) of a biased judge.

I do believe that "scholarship matters." It is bothersome to me that brother Hull's article apparently tries to connect the argument that "scholarship matters" and the PhD who "tells us what the Bible means." In the following passage, Hull seems to posit the conditional argument: "If "scholarship matters" then we ought to allow PhDs (I assume that such would have degrees in Bible from suitably accredited institutions of higher learning) to "tell us what the Bible means." After all, as long as we have the Bible, why do we need people with PhDs to tell us what it means? But scholarship matters to the church at large, and to Christian churches and churches of Christ."

There is a disconnect here. I would argue that there is not an essential connection between scholarship and the PhD or the PhD and scholarship (and) that possession of the PhD is not an absolute requirement to be a scholar and having the PhD is not a guarantee of scholarship. . . . For example, authors published this year in this very magazine that do not have the PhD and yet are scholars include:  Sam Stone (he was editor), Mark Taylor (he is editor), Paul Williams, Bob Russell, Knofel Staton, Kay Moll, Jeff Walling, Alan Ahlgrim, Dr. David Grubbs (MD not PhD), et al.  We can add to this list many scholars from the history of the "Stone-Campbell Movement" who did not have the PhD:  Alexander Campbell, J. W. McGarvey, R. C. Foster, Orrin Root, George Mark Elliott, John W. Wade, et al.

The PhD is not an absolute guarantee of scholarship.  For a glaring example of this, one only need remember Michael Bellesiles, PhD, and his discredited Bancroft Prize winning book Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture.  The Columbia News stated, "Columbia University's Trustees have voted to rescind the Bancroft Prize awarded last year to Michael Bellesiles for his book Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture. The Trustees made the decision based on a review of an investigation of charges of scholarly misconduct against Professor Bellesiles by Emory University and other assessments by professional historians. They concluded that he had violated basic norms of scholarship and the high standards expected of Bancroft Prize winners. The Trustees voted to rescind the Prize during their regularly scheduled meeting on December 7, 2002 and have notified Professor Bellesiles of their decision" (see www.columbia.edu/cu/news/02/12/bancroft_prize.html.

Dr. Hull makes the argument that "scholarship matters." I agree. He fails to answer his rhetorical question, "Why do we need people with PhDs to tell us what it means?" with because "scholarship matters."  He fails to establish an essential connection between scholarship and the PhD.
—James Moore
Stockbridge, Georgia

A response from Robert Hull (posted 5-4-07):
In response to James Moore’s posting of 23 April, I am sorry if I left the impression that only people with PhD degrees are scholars. I am aware that not all scholars have the PhD, just as not everyone with a PhD is a scholar. It is also important to point out, however, that not every published writer or editor is, or would claim to be, a scholar.


RESPONSE TO MARCH 25 ISSUE

Communion Meditation a Must-Read
(posted 3-19-07)
Thank you for Jack Cottrell’s recent articles on Calvinism and Knofel Staton’s articles on open theism. Outstanding stuff! While reading through my advance copy of the March 25 issue, I read a feature I seldom read—“At His Table.” Since I never do Communion meditations, I simply don’t read the feature. Glancing over the page I saw that Dan Schantz had written it. I always enjoy Dan’s articles, so I broke tradition and read “What the Deacon Sees.” Dan’s articles always make me laugh. This one made me cry. With all the articles about church growth, embracing and surviving change, postmodernism, etc., we can easily get sucked into a vortex of confusion regarding what church is all about. “What the Deacon Sees” may be a Communion meditation, but it should be “must reading” in every congregation in our brotherhood. Thanks to Dan and to CHRISTIAN STANDARD.
—Terry Clark
Meadville, Pennsylvania


RESPONSE TO MARCH 18 ISSUE

'Thank You . . . for Sharing the Truth'
(posted 3-30-07)
I am writing in regards to the series “Calvinism and the Bible.” Thank you, Jack Cottrell, for sharing the truth in such a wonderful, thoughtful way.

There are so many people who have accepted and taught this untruth and misled so many who love the Lord and yet would believe what people say rather than believing the truth of God’s Word. There are many of these folks in our congregations—perhaps they can find the truth through a study of God’s Word and preachers who are willing to teach the truth.
—Margie Soesbe
Gresham, Oregon

'We Are Neither a Humble Nor Healed People'
(posted 3-30-07)
The “if statements” in the Bible do no necessarily preclude God’s foreknowledge of the coming path. They may simply show his reluctance to give a definite specific knowledge of the future. This adds a greater need for faithful living. He just chose not to say if you do such an action, then some result will surely result. He says, “Follow me, and see.” It’s a reminder of The need for possibility thinking. John was chosen to be shown some of the future and told to eat the revealing scroll. The future was not to be revealed to all people in that detail. But the presence of the scroll says that much was already known more specifically than we have in the mysteriously presented Revelation. If we live in faith, some details are immaterial.

What was presented as a guarantee is this: “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves . . . ,” then I will hear them and heal their land. Folks, we are neither a humble nor healed people. . . . Many instructions have a short and long view. We know that at some date, he will decide to wait no longer. Our appetites and greed will be aggravated by famine and shortages of foods and oil, as types. And the world will react by provoking such conflict that the whole mess will be destroyed to preserve a few.
—Bill Hawkins
Joplin, Missouri


RESPONSE TO MARCH 11 ISSUE

'Keep on Provoking Us, Paul'
(posted 3-30-07)
Don’t take Paul S. Williams too literally! You may miss the point.